Great thread and response. Thank you David yet again for sharing your=20 experience. I'm entering the world for FCC part 15 compliance for all=20 new designs and tips like this are invaluable. J David VanHorn wrote: >> But the thing is, in any pictures I've found online of PIC-based >> PCBs, no-one seems to actually be doing this isolating "ring". So is >> it really something I should be concerning myself with? Or ideally, >> does anyone know a way of geting multiple "GND"-named polygons on a >> layer in Eagle? > > I don't run Eagle, but I can answer the question on the why of it. > > The crystal load caps should be returned only, and directly, to the > ground pin on the CPU nearest the oscillator pins. That pin should be > the only point where the crystal system touches the rest of the > ground. Otherwise, you are allowing oscillator currents (at the > fundamental and all harmonics) to flow into your plane and they will > radiate. This is also a door that opens both ways. The oscillator > done improperly is more prone to being upset by externally applied > fields and other currents flowing in the rest of the ground system. > > This is the right way to do it, whether or not other people do it that > way. Ask those guys if their designs pass part 15 first time, every > time, and in fact are barely above the noise floor of the analyzer > instead of barely below the fail line. > > > Think of it this way. It isn't strictly true that current always > takes the shortest path. It actually takes every possible path, it > just prefers the short one. If you want quiet PCBs, return current > to where you got it from, by low impedance direct traces. > > Also, the caps are in series and will need to be a bit less than twice > the specified Cl value, another one that is commonly done wrong but > usually "works". > > :) > > As to how to do that in eagle, can you place a "keep out" that the > flood will respect? > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .