Sean - All of the above. Bob's right about properly designed exhaust systems being power-neutral over the design rpm range of the engine. That's not to say that passenger car exhaust systems don't reduce volumetric efficiency; thus (potentiallly) power & fuel economy, but modern, properly designed systems are fairly free-flowing. The price of this happy situation is complexity - There are plenty of things to go wrong, all of which degrade power & fuel economy. Most of this is covered by warranty, at least until you get to the dealer & are told it is'nt, & will cost $1500 to fix. On the bright side, do your due diligence & 8 years from now you may well get a $11.82 settlement check from the class- action attorney... Jack --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .