On 14-Mar-12 17:35, RussellMc wrote: >> I tried to simulate this in LTSpice over lunch; > > Lonnnnng lunch :-) > >> nothing I have tried so far will make the circuit oscillate reliably in = its original form, including make the capacitors significantly different va= lues, adding some leakage, changing the collector resistors etc. I get som= e chaotic behaviour at power on, but not really what you'd expect from an L= ED flasher. Moving the base resistors up the Vcc immediately creates a per= fectly operating astable. > >> That's obviously not to say it couldn't work in practice, but I very muc= h doubt it will be reliable or repeatable between different builds. I wond= er how many people have thrown their soldering irons away in disgust after = wasting hours with this? > > The sample of one user that I am aware of who has built it says it > works well. Much to my chagrin :-). > > > Russell > It works in LTSpice too. It is a bad design but it does work. Djula --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .