So. Here is how it works with no cap leakage. E&OE. Normal time constants do not work here as will be seen. OPERATION: Assume no cap leakage. All off. C1! discharged,. C2 discharged. Power on. C1+, C2+ pulled high via LEDs by battery. As C1 and C2 have no V across them the -ve sides will also be pulled high. Bothe bases pulled high - boty transistors try to turn on. One will win. Say Q1 turning on faster: C2 will have some charge as -ve side discharged via base (or left side chgd via R1 D1). QA Q1-c is driven to ground, C2- will be driven to BELOW ground. Q2 driven hard off If C2- driven more than about 0.6V below ground D4 conducts to clamp -ve excursion. Also provides a discharge path via Q1 - see below. .. Now Q1 on Q2 off. C1+ will charge via R2D2 (not a robot). Usually R4 is to B+ and it charges C2 so Q2 turns on. Q1 is on as above as C1 high but C1 is charging via R2 D2 C1 R3 so -ve end falls until Q1 is not held on as Vb too low. But now C2 is discharged due to path Ground-D4-C2-Q1. So when Q1 turns off Collector of C1 rises and lifts C2+ and so C2- follows so Q2 turns on and identical second half cycle happens This is a much damaged version of the original as usually bases are driven negative and do not conduct during timing part of cycle and resistor charges capacitor via a normal time constant. Here the caps forward bias the bases when the opposite collector rises and you get massive base current pulse via eg R1 D1 C2 Q2_base. So time constant of RC is much shortened so oscillator will run rather faster than usually. T =3D RC of bases is notionally 10k x 100 uf =3D 1 second but because capacitors are clamped and discharged directly into bases this will run much faster. So it works after a fashion but is crippled. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .