I sent this: Greg The flasher circuit shown on this webpage http://www.gregsbasicelectronics.com/circuits/ledoscillator.= htm and on the cover of your introductory book and elsewhere, cannot work in any reliable or repeatable sort of way. The two resistors from transistor bases to ground should be from bases to V+. Without this arrangement the transistors will not have forward bias and the circuit will not start. It may be able to be made to run if certain actions are performed but it is NOT a proper astable multibibrator as shown. The attached images show a large number of 2 transistor astable oscillators (google image search) and, as you will see, ALL these (or all that I noted) use formal forward base bias. If it DOES start it is because the leakage current through the capacitors is very high by normal standards. eg to get the bases to say 0.5V needs I =3D V/R =3D 0.5/ 10k =3D 50 uA. Low quality caps may exceed that level, but standard caps from eg Panasonic, Cornel-Dubilier and Kemet have lower or utterly marginal leakages. See also circuits here: http://bit.ly/TransistorAstables _______________ SK - won't work http://www.cde.com/catalogs/SK.pdf Panasonic Type A series M - no http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-cgi/jvcr13pz.cgi?E+PZ+3+ABA0012+ECA1CM1= 01I+7+WW Nichicon VR - just maybe http://www.nichicon.co.jp/english/products/pdfs/e-vr.pdf SMG may work :-) http://www.chemi-con.co.jp/e/catalog/pdf/al-e/al-sepa-e/004-lead/al-smg-e-1= 11201.pdf regards Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .