At 01:32 PM 3/11/2012, you wrote: > > In a previous life, I did Ethernet physical layer design/testing on > > servers for a major computer manufacurer (rhymes with "Hell"). Without > > fail, the first pass of Ethernet designs done would not pass the IEEE > > 802.3 physical layer specifications, *unless* they used an integrated > > magnetics. Return loss, signal integrity, or Hipot- doing the design > > right (for interoperability) is quite hard. > > >How many people are there who both care about it being "right" and are >making >small enough volumes that the extra design effort is sigificant? As more than one Asian manager has said one way or another, "That costs another 5 cents a unit. I ship 50,000 units a month, with that kind of mone= y I can hire another engineer" (and he probably still almost can..). Best regards, --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .