You can do quite a bit with very simple means - Perhaps someone you know has a Trangia alcohol stove ? If you try this it's not a bad idea to have the burner sitting on something that will contain the spill if you manage to knock it over. They get quite hot, as well. You want methylated, not isopropyl. Outdoors, of course... --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .