Further OT: Water rocket might be useful for some cases when placing Amateur Radio=20 antennas. Quite a few of us are using a variant of the PVC "Spud Gun" to=20 put lines over trees to erect wire antennas. The scheme works pretty=20 good but the projectile could cause property damage or even injury if=20 the operator gets careless. An empty soda bottle seems to be a safer=20 projectile. Any Urls appreciated, I will Google chase a little later. A tennis ball Launcher (Google "HyperDog") works well for shorter=20 ranges. I am still looking for a suitable barrel/tennis ball=20 configuration that is available in this area. I daydream about a tennis ball catapult but have (so far) resisted any=20 serious experimenting along those lines. On 2/28/2012 5:21 AM, RussellMc wrote: > I have substantial experience using PET softdrink bottles for high=20 > performance water rockets. HP here means they may pull 100g off the=20 > launcher and if you want to see them ascend you MUST look up before=20 > they launch. Photograph the launch and you find that the exiting water=20 > falls upwards from about 2 metres above the ground until Brennschluss.=20 > An optimally filled bottle is about 1/3 water and 2/3 air. CofG moves=20 > backwards during most of expulsion and then forwards again towards the=20 > end (makes sense when you work through it) with maximum instability=20 > occurring late in thrust phase when CofG is at rearmost point. Thrust=20 > tends to last 10's of milliseconds depending on pressure, fill%,=20 > orifice etc. At 100g that's enough for the bottle to "almost vanish"=20 > at Apogee when viewed from ground level. Toys they are - but serious=20 > ones. Energy stored approaches that of a 38 Magnum shell. Less=20 > destructive on impact, fortunately. Smaller capacity bottles take=20 > substantially higher pressures. It's both due to hoop stress being=20 > proportional to diameter and because to some extent the blank they=20 > blow them from does not seem to increase in mass at the same rate as=20 > bottle capacity so you get a thicker wall per capacity. A 1.5l Pepsi=20 > bottle will hold 100 psi for months, will tolerate about 130 psi=20 > without too much distress, and starts to grow larger while watched at=20 > 150 psi. A bottle that is overpressured will produce magic smoke=20 > equivalent in a stunningly impressive manner. This is to be avoided if=20 > you are trying to launch a water rocket. A small nick in a bottle with=20 > a sharp implement will not result in a small hole and a gradual=20 > pressure release. Transition from small nick to no bottle is closer to=20 > instantaneous than the ear numbed brain can quantify. Self=20 > deconstructing bottles will generally throw plastic only small=20 > distances - probably usually under two metres and often under one. But=20 > occasionally a bottle neck or similar may be thrown substantially=20 > further. Safety glasses are a good idea. Other protective clothing=20 > optional but you are unlikely to sustain major injuries from fragments=20 > if eyes are protected. YMMV. Ears can take some minutes to regain=20 > useful function. A well streamlined 1.5l bottle with nose cone and=20 > fins and no aerobraking will impact at 75 kph+. Being in its way would=20 > be unwise. >> and taping a tantalum cap to the outside, setting it up somewhere, and a= pplying reverse voltage to the cap, when the neighbours are having a partic= ularly noisy party ... > Anything that mechanically compromised sealing of bottle at 100 psi + > would rapidly result in while bottle shredding. Rockets do not fly > well in that mode. > > My adult children both left home about 5? years ago. When I > occasionally meet their friends they still enthuse about the Guy > Fawkes nights we used to hold :-) > --=20 John Ferrell W8CCW Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. - Will Rogers --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .