:: Back on the shower heater, how much power does it take?=20 This one is 5.8KW ::What's the water flow rate? It doesn't say only the water pressure required. I guess about 3 litres/min This particular type of heater only has a small heating vessel, no tank,=20 though there are some that come with a 20 lt tank. So basically the cold=20 water comes in circles an encapsulated heating element (the two are=20 separated, well I hope they are, and never actually meet each other) and=20 shoots out the shower head. In the UK there are also power showers, which=20 are similar, but also have a pump to produce the output water pressure.=20 Only used in low water pressure areas. As far as cost: My current hot water tank (they are outside in Australia=20 now inside) which is on what is called here a 'controlled supply' (that is= =20 the power company decides when they will provide power to the heater and=20 for how long - total time period that the power company will enable supply= =20 is 18 hours per day, actual switch on time is much less than that. Seems to= =20 be about twice a day for a few hours. As far as cost is concerned - at the moment my hot water costs me 55c per=20 day - which is shower and hot water for washing dishes. With a heat on demand system a 7 minute shower will cost 14c, 10 min 20c=20 and a real water waster of 30 min will cost 60c. My reckoning is that if i alter my taps to heat on demand systems, my =20 total cost per day will be between 16 and 30c . Washing machine is cold=20 fill only, and as the cold water in summer can be close to 25 - 30 degrees,= =20 no extra heating is required. Colin =20 -- cdb, colin@btech-online.co.uk on 27/02/2012 =20 Web presence: www.btech-online.co.uk =20 =20 Hosted by: www.justhost.com.au =20 =20 This email is to be considered private if addressed to a named individual= =20 or Personnel Department, and public if addressed to a blog, forum or news= =20 article. =20 =20 =20 On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:14:09 -0800, Harold Hallikainen wrote: I generally think using electricity for heating is :: about 1/3 :: the efficiency of using natural gas or worse, considering power :: plant :: efficiency. Of course, there are losses in a typical gas fired :: tank water :: heater including continuous losses through the heater walls, :: losses when :: the cold pipes are heated when water flow starts, etc. So, in :: terms of :: efficiency, which wins? On demand electric or gas fired tank? --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .