I have a small project I'm starting that I am planning to use an=20 12C671/N that I have a few in stock, for 1 board to make. I have a=20 PICKIT2, that the docs do not include the chip. By matching up the=20 programming pins PGC, PGD, and ground can I program it? Or with the Microengineering EPIC parallel programmer that claims to be=20 able to program with an adapter, which I can build the capabilities into=20 the new board. I slightly prefer the PICKIT2 method since, I should be able to run the=20 chip off the unit and check the programming. The intention of the board is only to give a brief warning chirp from a=20 sonalert when the circuit is powered up by acting as a timer. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .