I've had the experience of being talked down by a PAR operator in fog so thick I could'nt see the ground standing on it, finally. Taxiing perhaps more dangerous than flying, in those conditions. Many years ago, military helos. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .