There are 850nm IR LEDs that have non-zero output near 750nm, see; http://www.optodiode.com/pdf/OD-850W.pdf The eye has non-zero sensitivity near 750nm. Together, there is some=20 very slight viability to (relatively) high power levels such a looking=20 directly at the LED up close. Most LEDs have their power distributed=20 across a relatively large chip area and therefore cannot be focused to a=20 very small spot on the retina so the power density probably will be well=20 below any damage threshold. (I say probably, cause as technology=20 develops, they squeeze more power out of the chips.) However, some communication (and other) LEDs (such as those made for=20 fiber optics) have the light generated in a very small area, similar to=20 a laser but without the beam properties, these can be focused to a much=20 smaller area such that the damage threshold may be more nearly=20 approached with careful choice of optics. However, the fact that the eye=20 is always flickering around prevents even this from being much of a=20 problem. The hazards from near IR such as 850nm are purely thermal as far as I=20 know (I used to design ophthalmic instruments using these wavelengths so=20 have studied such matters. When you get towards blue light there are=20 photochemical hazards. Looking forward, Al Shinn --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .