> I was looking for microcontrollers with analog outputs, to reduce board = size, ... Analog outputs will almost invariably be digitally based anyway. ie PWM (analog when filtered) or DAC (digitally quantised steps) based. If you search eg Digikey for microcontrollers wityh DAC you should find something. BUT if you use PWM with a simple RC fulter it will suit many needs and then ANY digital pin can be an analog output. BUT if you want max DACs in minimum DIP package, this seems to be gard to beat. 4 x 9bit DAC in DIP8 !!! Cypress PSOC. CY8C27143-24PXI Datasheet http://www.cypress.com/?docID=3D31789 In stock Digikey $5.32/1. Weird by normal standards is the price you pay. Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .