Ahhh a question worthy of books of advice. I'm sure others will pitch=20 in, here's my 2c. If you haven't already, change the design rules to allow 16mil drill=20 vias, rather than the default. DRC -> Sizes Tab -> minimum Drill set to=20 16, and I think the Restring Tab -> vias -> I have the min set to 8mil=20 outer and inner, % to 25, and Max to 20mil. Humm. Place all parts before doing any routing at all. Decoupling caps=20 especially. If you can do 8/8 and 16mil drills, this means you can use nearly any=20 boardhouse's typical cheap manufacturing. Ground pour on top and bottom. I don't do the +3.3V (or whatever) power=20 pour ever, even on 4-layer. I always route power so I know what is=20 going where. Ground I don't route, but am mindful of trying to keep the=20 pour successful. Use lots of vias to ground, they're cheap and make=20 things easier. I have a separate USB keypad with programmable keys (designed for=20 gaming) configured to switch between 9 different tools in eagle when=20 doing layout, so move/ripup/ratsnest/route is real fast to switch=20 between. Left hand on keypad, right hand on mouse, with mousewheel of=20 course and click of mousewheel ("middle" mouse button) and drag is pan.=20 Very very handy. Essential. You can use the autorouter to "check your work" ... if it is having big=20 problems with routing, you probably will too. Move parts, watch=20 airwires, try to avoid long airwires that cross others, etc. etc. For placing parts, I usually use a grid of 10mil. For routing, 5mil. It is pretty Zen. I hand route everything, the autorouter is just for=20 getting an idea of difficulty, tho I'm still on eagle 4.x and I hear it=20 has been improved. 4-layer 2000 net pcbs, yes, by hand. It does take=20 awhile, but with good parts placement, it almost "routes itself", mostly. Have fun! J Bob Blick wrote: > forwarding with tag added > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012, at 03:59 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone have any "tricks of the trade" for hand routing boards? >> Specifically, hand routing from reasonably high density TQFP/QFN parts >> (44 >> and 64-pin) in 6 to 8-mil to other lower density components (think hub >> and >> spoke). >> >> I'm getting beyond the stage where Eagle's autorouter does a good job... >> >> Appreciated in advance. >> >> -m > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .