>> It is pic16f84 and computer has parallel& serial port. > As for a programmer since you have a parallel port, my Trivial LVP > programmer can still do the job. You can find a link on the page above. Yes for the chip(s) you recommend, but not for a 16f84, which does not=20 have LVP capability. --=20 Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu C++ on uC blog: http://www.voti.nl/erblog --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .