Much has been said here on CFL lifetimes. Many die young. Some don't. Brand matters but "good brand" is no guarantee of longevity. Here's a SINGLE data point that is "fairly good" but not vastly beyond what I have seen elsewhere here: 8W CFL Hall light Runs amost always (24 hours most days) Ran 12 August 2006 to about 31 December 2011. 5 years 4 months calendar time or about 47,000 hours - most of which would have been on time. This "rather" exceeds" the claimed typical operating times of 8000 hours. 8 Watt CFL Philips Labelled: Genie V D5 8W-220-240V~50~60Hz I=3D60 mA WarmWhite 420lm 53Lm/W ... standards stuff ... Made in China _______________________ To make up for it, new unopened 24 Watt Philips Tornado that fell from a high shelf as I was getting a new 5W CFL for the hall died on impact with 0 operating hours :-(. For comparison, allowing a modest 4:1 CFL:incandescent light output, it would have taken a 32 Watt incandescent bulb for similar light in the hall. Say 25 Watts. Power savings over say 40,000 hours =3D (25-8)/ 1000 w/kW * 40,000 hr x $0.20 $/unit =3D $136. Add in the numerous incandescent bulbs that would have died in that time and the CFL approaches savings of $30/year for an 8 Watt bulb run 24/7. If it had died in 1 year the savings would be similar - less fewer incandescents and with the nowadays about $5 cost of the CFL a more significant factor. Still > $25 / year. Savings over incandescent: Or about $3/Watt conservative savings wrt incandsecnt run 24/7.with electric energy at $0.20 / kWh Russell McMahon _EE --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .