> using some of the readily free software I plan to hand draw a > board at 2X size, scan and reduce it to the proper scale and > complete it I've two methods -=20 (1) tiff output from Eagle (2) .gif or .bmp output from a graphics program (eg Paint Shop Pro) like at the bottom of this page, and always re-sized/re-scaled to 600dpi with the dimensions included to remind me when I use it again http://www.piclist.com/techref/microchip/io/dev/lcd/DOGM.htm After doing so many I can copy/paste between library boards without needing to use Eagle, even for routing > My laser printer (less than $100) will print 4x6 and may be 3X5 paper > so small stuff will be practical Printers are regularly on special as loss leaders. The Canon LBP6000 was on special here for NZ$49 and I bought it specifically for toner transfer. No intention of wasting it on documents. My paper is glossy clay-based. 30 minutes in a warm soak and it peels off easily =20 > The expert services like ExpressPCB do a very professional job > should I need a production run. Things have never been this good > for HomeBrewing before! Of course I use professionals for clients, if that's what they want, or quantities where it simply makes sense (and I appreciate the varied opinions about what makes sense). Most often I deal with prototypes and I want a board right now. And I'll be honest, there is a satisfaction to doing it yourself, and the week isn't so full that a spare hour or two can't be found Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .