Forget the words. Go get some baseball bats. They're easier to find, and you can reuse them afterward. Before anyone starts lobbing bombs at me, please note thatI'm just kidding. I just couldn't resist the opportunity. Regards, Jim > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [OT]: Engineering ethics reference sought > From: Denny Esterline > Date: Mon, December 19, 2011 2:51 pm > To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Spehro Pefhany wro= te: >=20 > > At 10:58 AM 19/12/2011, you wrote: > > >In a dark dusty corner of my mind I seem to recall reading some > > Engineering > > >Ethics code that had language to the effect of requiring an engineer t= o > > >gain as much value as possible from a prototype or testing or somethin= g to > > >that effect. Anybody able to help me cite the source material for that= ? > > > > > >Thanks > > >-Denny > > > > As much as possible? Really? > > Sounds awfully specific for an ethics code. I suspect whoever stated > > this was pulling it out of somewhere dark and dank. > > > > > Entirely possible, also possible that I'm confusing it with something els= e > I read 10+ years ago. >=20 > Long story short we had a major cluster F in production - > 1. Incoming inspection missed a majorly obvious problem. > Several steps into the assembly it was finally noticed - undo the assembl= y > and send it back to supplier. > 2. Incoming inspection missed a second majorly obvious problem that they > should have seen in the first inspection. > Several plus one steps into the assembly the second problem was noticed = - > undo the assembly and send it back to supplier again. > 3. Incoming inspection missed a third majorly obvious problem caused by t= he > first "fix". > Several plus two steps into the assembly the third problem was noticed - > this is where I get involved. >=20 > The people involved are not professional engineers, there won't be a > "tribunal" or other such formal proceedings. But I'm sitting them all dow= n > and doing the "after action review" tomorrow and was looking for some > sticks to beat them with. >=20 > -Denny > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .