> > Also, as my figures hopefully showed, you don't need much flow if > > water mixes fully. > > > > 42 watts per (cc per second) at 10C rise. > 10C rise seems rather high to me. That deep-ends on what you think is rising relative to what. And you CAN get very small water temperature rise at the IC but still get a terrible result overall. Hopefully most people who design such systems will design all parts in a balanced way. One can hope :-). To get heat transfer you must get SOME rise. The rise of 10 degrees I mentioned is in the water at the IC - it's saying that the water comes in 10 degrees cooler than the IC. This doesn't say ANYTHING about how hot the IC is (except that it's probably under 110C :-) ). There are 4 temperatures iinvolved, assuming each is homogeneous /uniform for substances involved. Ta Local ambient Twc Water cold temp Twh Water hot temp Ths Cooled heatsink temp If water energy carrying capacity at say a few degrees rise is large compared with energy to be carried then Twh assymptotes to Ths BUT what Twc does compared to Ta depends on how you get the heat out of the water on the cold side. eg if you had the very large flows I mentioned with the sample pumps that could carry say 2 kW per degrees C rise then delta T at heat sink will be small. ie Ths-Twh very low. As you suggest. BUT if you do not do a good job of getting the heat OUT of the water then Twc-Ta can be very high. You can end up with say 20 C ambient, 60C heatsink and 59C hot water and maybe 57 degrees cold water. Water cooling is doing a good job of getting energy out of IC but you need a large delta T to get it out of the water. Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .