At 03:09 AM 12/11/2011, Electron wrote: >IDEA: you could use some junk relay (I think they're easy to obtain!), >get the copper wire from it, which is insulated, but insulation melts >with solder. Be careful here - some enameled wire is solderable, some=20 isn't. Anything intended to work warm or hot is definitely NOT solderable. I have both types here at work. dwayne --=20 Dwayne Reid Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax www.trinity-electronics.com Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .