If you received this by BCC and are not usually "electronics interested" you may find the exercise worthwhile for other reasons. The following exercise is quick to attempt, at least a little "fun", and a sobering demonstration that what you think you see may not be what you think you get with electronic components from sources with less than bulletproof provenance. Either read below for background or just start at 1. below. When looking at an Asian data sheet that has suspect specs I often find that by selecting a phrase from it that is liable to be unique and doing a web search for the phrase, I can locate the datasheet or sheets that were used as the original source. In some cases the datasheet has clearly been used as a template but the data is different enough that it may be valid. In other cases it can be clear that copying of both format and data has been done and the "datasheet" is simply a makeup and has no technical merit. I was looking at the datasheet of an LED of suspect provenance that had been proposed as an alternative by a supplier. While it was clear that the LED was not a suitable replacement regardless, I decided to check the datasheet's consistency and dumb-copying level. I chose the search string: "Customer must apply resistors for protection , otherwise slight voltage shift will cause big current change(Burn out will happen)." This is a simplistic but sensible enough statement about the need to manage LED current properly, but the way of saying it seemed liable to be unique enough and quaint enough that it would only occur if cut and pasted. So.. 1. FIRSTLY decide how many discrete instances (say, different manufacturers) you may find for this phrase from an LED data sheet and how many total Gargoyle hits you may expect. Phrase is: Customer must apply resistors for protection , otherwise slight voltage shift will cause big current change(Burn out will happen). Don't enclose in quotes. 2. Gargoyle it. 3. Marvel Count the discrete "manufacturers". [Data sheet sites will obviously increase the number of instances but there are many many "brands" involved. Gargoyle probably considers "burn out" and "burnout" as the same. Both occur. Searching without quotes turns up several close matches which are obviously from the same source. I consider the portions "slight voltage shift" "cause big current change" and "(burn out will happen)" occurring together are proof enough of plagiarism. Copying parts of a datasheet (whether written in quaint English or not) does NOT mean that the data is invalid, but it should sound warnings. Very surprisingly, even Vishay use the phrases (http://www.vishay.com/docs/81564/temd1000.pdf) even though I would be most surprised if they were the originators!. Note that actual LED styles involved vary widely. Everlight / Everchips may be the source.? Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .