Received from Yigit Turgut at 11/04/11 12:17 UTC: >It is always safer to take your place among crowded part of the discussion= ,=20 >that is a very basic tendency in human beings. You rely on the scientific= =20 >knowledge that we gained in the last 300K years and I can say that you got= a=20 >full house in your hand (but not a straight flush). Just remind yourself=20 >that that full house left us in the lurch more than a couple of times in t= he=20 >past. I am not defending John or etc, I am defending what I saw and it is= =20 >much more valuable to me than a peer-reviewed journal. The claims by Searl are extraordinary and therefore require extraordinary=20 proof. As far as I can see by browsing many Searl-related web pages, there= =20 is zero proof. There is no working device. There are only demonstrations = of=20 various components, and rather than demonstrating the Searl Effect, they=20 demonstrate well known phenomena long explained by basic physics. there is no question in my mind that levitation of a magnet over a rotating= =20 wheel with a conductive rim is impressive to many. But the same effect=20 produced by a changing magnetic field close to a conductive disc that is fr= ee=20 to rotate on a shaft is what has been driving those electromechanical=20 induction wattmeters (spinning aluminum disc electric meters) on our homes= =20 since about 1889. Placed in that context, the effect is a bit less impress= ive. There's an explanation in physics for whatever you saw, and when you arrive= =20 at that explanation it won't involve the Searl Effect. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .