I fully agree. You can spend many years programming without a dedicated debugger. As I wrote before, there are many ways to "debug" code, a many of them doesn't have any (money) investment at all. KPL wrote 2011-10-25 09:51: > But if You currently want just to learn fundamentals, you do not need > either of those. You will find out what you really need just when you > know how to do basic things with controller, which can be done without > any of pro stuff. > If you want to learn debugging as a separate subject, that's a different = story. > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:24, Chris Roper wrote: >> PICKit3 is a programmer with some debugging capability. >> ICD3 is a debugger with Programming capability. >> >> If you are going to spend extra on the debug version of the chips, and >> you have the budget, I would suggest getting the ICD too, so that you >> get full advantage of the upgraded debug chip, especially if you are >> likely to buy debug versions of several chips. >> >> >> On 25 October 2011 09:14, wrote: >>> Jan-Erik , >>> Thank you for your reply. >>> But do you think that >>> AC162053 - ICD 18P HEADER >>> is that really all I need to be used with PICkit3? >>> The connector is not the same as with PICkit3 from the picture. >>> But may be there can be soldered Stand-Off connector ( the same PICkit= 3 uses) too. >>> But if only it works with PICkit3 >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> L. >>> >>> >>>> As I read it (and as the picture in Microchip DIRECT shows) >>>> The AC162053 *includes* the PIC16F648A-ICD. And the combined >>>> thing is also called "Board Assembly Number 02-01695". >>>> >>>> So what is needed, as far as I understand, is only this item: >>>> http://www.microchipdirect.com/productsearch.aspx?Keywords=3DAC162053 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> jana1972@centrum.cz wrote 2011-10-25 08:18: >>>>> Thanks ALL for the reply >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone please let me know what exactly( order numbers) I need to= buy >>>>> so that I am able to debug PIC16F628A? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In Microchip docs I found out that I would need >>>>> 1.Header AC162053 >>>>> 2. ICE/ICD Device PIC16F648A-ICD >>>>> 3 Board Assembly Number 02-01695 ( is that MPLAB ICD2 or MPLAB REAL I= CE?) >>>>> >>>>> Are they all needed( if I already have PICkit3 ? >>>>> ANd where can I buy them all? >>>>> >>>>> @Dwayne >>>>>> Be sure to purchase at least two of them - >>>>> By "at least two of them"do you mean for the exactly the same model= s or >>>>> two for different models? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> L. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> that lets you keep working >>>>>> if you 'Oops' the module. Do note that these modules are covered >>>>>> under Microchip's SAR program, which means that you can get them fix= ed >>>>>> for free if you do make a mistake and fry one. Basically, you open = a >>>>>> support ticket at Microchip's support website, they eventually get >>>>>> around to talking to you about the problem (which is easy if you hav= e a >>>>>> 2nd unit that is currently working properly), then they send you a >>>>>> replacement along with shipping instructions for returning the defec= tive >>>>>> unit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>> >>>>>> dwayne >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dwayne Reid >>>>>> Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA >>>>>> (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax >>>>>> www.trinity-electronics.com >>>>>> Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ& list archive >>>>>> View/change your membership options at >>>>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ& list archive >>>> View/change your membership options at >>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ& list archive >>> View/change your membership options at >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ& list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > > > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .