But if You currently want just to learn fundamentals, you do not need either of those. You will find out what you really need just when you know how to do basic things with controller, which can be done without any of pro stuff. If you want to learn debugging as a separate subject, that's a different st= ory. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:24, Chris Roper wrote: > PICKit3 is a programmer with some debugging capability. > ICD3 is a debugger with Programming capability. > > If you are going to spend extra on the debug version of the chips, and > you have the budget, I would suggest getting the ICD too, so that you > get full advantage of the upgraded debug chip, especially if you are > likely to buy debug versions of several chips. > > > On 25 October 2011 09:14, =A0 wrote: >> =A0Jan-Erik , >> Thank you for your reply. >> But do you think that >> AC162053 =A0- ICD 18P HEADER >> is that really all I need to be used with PICkit3? >> The connector is not the same as with PICkit3 from the picture. >> But may be there can be soldered =A0Stand-Off connector ( the same PICki= t3 uses) too. >> But if only it works with PICkit3 >> >> Thanks >> >> L. >> >> >>> As I read it (and as the picture in Microchip DIRECT shows) >>> The AC162053 *includes* the PIC16F648A-ICD. And the combined >>> thing is also called "Board Assembly Number 02-01695". >>> >>> So what is needed, as far as I understand, is only this item: >>> http://www.microchipdirect.com/productsearch.aspx?Keywords=3DAC162053 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> jana1972@centrum.cz wrote 2011-10-25 08:18: >>> > Thanks ALL for the reply >>> > >>> > Can anyone =A0please let me know what exactly( order numbers) I need = to buy >>> > so that I am able to debug =A0PIC16F628A? >>> > >>> > >>> > In Microchip docs I found out =A0that I would need >>> > 1.Header AC162053 >>> > 2. ICE/ICD Device PIC16F648A-ICD >>> > 3 Board Assembly Number 02-01695 ( is that MPLAB ICD2 or MPLAB REAL I= CE?) >>> > >>> > Are they all needed( if I already have PICkit3 ? >>> > ANd where =A0can I buy them all? >>> > >>> > @Dwayne >>> >> Be sure to purchase at least two of them - >>> > By "at least two of them"do you mean =A0for the =A0exactly the same m= odels or >>> > =A0 =A0two for different models? >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > L. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > that lets you keep working >>> >> if you 'Oops' the module. =A0Do note that these modules are covered >>> >> under Microchip's SAR program, which means that you can get them fix= ed >>> >> for free if you do make a mistake and fry one. =A0Basically, you ope= n a >>> >> support ticket at Microchip's support website, they eventually get >>> >> around to talking to you about the problem (which is easy if you hav= e a >>> >> 2nd unit that is currently working properly), then they send you a >>> >> replacement along with shipping instructions for returning the defec= tive >>> >> unit. >>> >> >>> >> Hope this helps! >>> >> >>> >> dwayne >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dwayne Reid >>> >> Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd =A0 =A0Edmonton, AB, CANADA >>> >> (780) 489-3199 voice =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(780) 487-6397 fax >>> >> www.trinity-electronics.com >>> >> Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ& =A0list archive >>> >> View/change your membership options at >>> >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- >>> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >>> View/change your membership options at >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> >> >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 KPL --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .