> It's not the best analogy, but it does indicate that frame of reference i= s > important Hi Jim, my thinking was that relativity effects on GPS satellites and their slower timekeeping is well understood and is compensated for, as your bunny watcher would need to do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System Refering to the section 'Precise Monitoring' I don't know what system CERN uses, but you might think it 'obvious' that they'd first suspect GPS errors. They must surely have access to terrestrial clocks to determine propagation and latency times of their equipment, and especially before announcing a faster-than-light event Joe=20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .