Received from IVP at 10/15/11 21:45 UTC: > > Possible solution to the problem! > > > > http://www.dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php > >Aren't GPS clocks compensated for relativity anyway ? Seems >unlikely that all those boffins at CERN haven't considered that >when looking for the 60ns discrepancy > >IMVHO > >450 miles time-of-flight at light speed is 2.41ms > >Off by 60ns =3D error of 0.0025% =3D 59ft per 450 miles > >Either neutrinos > c or GPS doesn't work as advertised Not at all. What the article is trying to describe is somewhat akin to the= =20 following non-Einsteinian analogy. A train is traveling at 5 feet per second. At the rear of a flatcar is a=20 rabbit. The flatcar is 50 feet long. The maximum speed at which this rabb= it=20 can run is 25 fps - this is an absolute physical constant - and he can atta= in=20 this speed instantaneously. Alongside the tracks is an observer. The rabb= it=20 begins running and the observer starts his timer. When the rabbit has move= d=20 50 feet with respect to the observer the observer stops his timer. The tim= er=20 shows 1.82 seconds. So the rabbit traveled at 50 feet / 1.82 seconds or 27= ..5=20 fps. Neutrino rabbit broken the rabbit speed barrier and has proven Einste= in=20 wrong! Or has he? It's not the best analogy, but it does indicate that frame of reference is= =20 important. Wrap your head around the analogy and then read the article aga= in. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .