IVP wrote: >> Obviously it's not a strict, always 100% true example, but it's >> definitely a strong, observable trend >=20 > I empathise with your sentiments in some ways.=20 I maybe in some, but not that much... > I'd compare it with home recording studios. Anybody with a PC can call > themself a 'musician', even the most mediocre and untalented [...]=20 >=20 > Times change, [...] However I agree with this, wholeheartedly. A while ago a good kitchen knife was so expensive that only rich people or good cooks had one; nowadays you get them in any department store, and many people have one at home.=20 100 years ago having a car meant you either had mechanics skills or had an employee with mechanics skills who was in charge of taking care of the car. Nowadays, every (mechanical) "idiot" can drive a car -- and many do, taking for granted that it "just works" and driving a year or more without any major maintenance (other than changing the oil) is considered normal. Get over it... the times when cars were a "mechanics only" item are gone; they are now commodities. So are the times when computers were an "electronics specialist only" item; they have reached the commodity status also. With the Arduino and similar concepts, smaller embedded electronics are reaching the commodity status. Nothing new here; this is just the way technology works. If this pisses you off, you're probably in the wrong field. This is how technology works. If you want to stay out of this, you need to stay ahead of the commodity technology. Anything with any appeal sooner or later will become commodity, that's what /we/ do (at least some of us, in some cases): we improve the stuff, until it works /reliably/ without messing around, until Joe Everybody can use it and it's ready to become a commodity. Part of working in and with technology means being able to use commodity technology to create new technology. That the existing commodity technology is what 50 years ago was the new technology is exactly the point. Decrying the banalization of electronics is about 50 years behind the curve. Back then electronics was an adventure (I wasn't there, but I know enough about it to get the idea, I think :), nowadays it's just so simplified. Three resistors, a cap and an IC and you get a useful audio amp? Or a small computer? Get outta here... this is just like script kiddies using an Arduino :) So... get over it, and get into stuff that's ahead of the curve, if that's where you want to be. I'm sure you'll be using commodity technology without looking back when you're there. Gerhard --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .