> Obviously it's not a strict, always 100% true example, but it's > definitely a strong, observable trend I empathise with your sentiments in some ways. As technology progresses and people's expectations increase, the attraction of high-performance turnkey off-the-shelf products is hard to resist, and you need to have no idea how it works. Those without an interest in electronics would say it's unnecessary. Although the technology and applications are so sophisticated, I feel that the use of these pre-packaged solutions counts towards 'dumbing down' and shorter attention spans. Just my opinion. The eye always flicks to something shiny and glittery I'd compare it with home recording studios. Anybody with a PC can call themself a 'musician', even the most mediocre and untalented But it does provide a means of expression and accomplishing an end, much as the Arduino does Times change, the last 20 years probably faster than most. There is just so much to keep up with now at the bleeding edge, never mind trying to learn the underlying electronics as well. I try to be aware, but my preference is still to get the best I can out of the basic technology I know. Which isn't that basic compared with 20 years ago Of course, in the good old days when we were just tea boys and good reel-to-reel machines cost a small fortune and if you wanted an S-100 you had to make it yourself and you could tinker with the car engine in the drive on a Saturday morning with a screwdriver and a wrench and young orphan boys were used as chimney brushes ......... --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .