> Then don't f'ing buy it! Sometimes you don't know until after the fact, which would apply to people without prior experience of that offset. So anyone could get caught. It would certainly put me off buying a second one Not so long ago I needed to replace the rose on the shower. I bought the same brand, same model, same colour, everything But they'd changed a very minor detail by about a mm, meaning you couldn't just replace the old with the new. If you didn't have a few tools (and a bolshie attitude !!!) you'd have to also buy the wall fitting, for an extra $70 There are any number of companies which make products that are incompatible with anything else. I guess the trick is bailing out early if you don't like that arrangement or think the products aren't special enough to warrant the expense Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .