On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Isaac Marino Bavaresco <
isaacbavaresco@yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> Em 15/9/2011 19:58, V G escreveu:
> > In my opinion, a REAL ICE would be completely useless to you as a
> > beginner if you don't yet have the knowledge to even make the proper
> > connections.
>
> I disagree with your "useless". The Real ICE may be too expensive for
> the little advantages it offers over the ICD3 tough.
>

True.


> > I believe a PIC32 is much too complicated to start with.
>
> No way! If the OP plans to program in C, it may be simpler. Lots of RAM,
> FLASH and horse-power. The peripherals are much similar to the other PICs=
..
>
>
> > My advice is, if you're starting with PICs, start with a PICKIT2/3
>
> The OP is wishing to spend a lot of money in a Real ICE, The ICD3 is
> less than half the price and at shoulder height in features with the
> Real ICE. It has the best cost-benefit. The PICKit 2 or 3 don't reach
> the heels of the Real ICE or ICD3.
>
> > and something small and relatively simple such as a PIC16 or PIC18.
>
> These devices are more complicated than the dsPICs, PIC24 and PIC32
> because their architecture has several limitations, such as different
> methods to access RAM and program memory, etc.
>
> > You need next to no external components to get it to work with a
> > PICKIT2/3 and they're easy to work with.
>
> That's true, but he wants to buy ready-made boards, so it doesn't matter
> for him.
>

I guess I'm biased then. What pisses me off about the Arduino is that all
the script kiddies go and get one and type some random code and think
they've got it all down when they see an LED blink from some code they
copy/pasted off the Internet. That's pretty much 95% of all the kids in my
university getting a damn Arduino. Everything's pre built for them. They do
zero laying down of EE components. All they do is plug it in and type.
That's not engineering. That's just stupid. They don't know anything about
making schematics, designing a PCB, assembling it, inserting the processor,
downloading your OWN assembler program via ICSP and seeing some /actual
code/ run. Most of these script kiddie dev boards get used to run "Hello
world" crap. It's a bastardization of the whole concept of EE, that is, the
design process that I outlined above.

Gets me all emotional.


> > Microchip provides example code, etc. I have also some stuff from
> > Microchip, but haven't had much time yet
>
> They provide lots of sample code, examples, etc. for the PIC32 also.
>
> > No, you're probably not ready to spend $500 that you have no idea how
> > to use if you don't understand what you're doing.
>
> The OP may be a spoiled rich kid to whom money is a no-concern. Just
> kidding :)
> Don't spend $500 with a Real ICE, spend $190 in an ICD3.


I guess you're right.
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