Mouser also handles their products in the US. miKroe normally sells the compiler and the Dev Boards at a good discount=20 when bundled. The trial version of their compilers is available all the=20 time free for download. The limitation is the generated code size. Watch=20 carefully that you will be satisfied with the method used to program the=20 chip. I have been with them since about 2002 and they really do provide=20 the mechanism for free upgrades. I am looking at the 932-MIKROE-450 at $29.95. Going this route would=20 require build/buy a programmer. Everything miKroe sells except the=20 programmers are documented with schematics & all in the user manuals. I=20 don't think you can roll your own for less than they sell for! --=20 John Ferrell W8CCW "Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened." --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .