> Chances are it's just that you really should re-torque after a few hours > of driving. But when I put on my sticky tires I want the wheels to stay > on all day, so I go five pounds over. Since I've been doing that I have > never had any motion when I re-torque. > > =20 Certainly is a good practice to check torque after a few miles, but for=20 most drivers, quite inconvenient. > And that may explain why tire shops regularly overtighten - they don't > want a nut to come loose and they don't care if they warp a rotor/drum. > > =20 The poorer quality workmanship shops probably as a cost savings. The=20 Goodyear dealer chain that I usually go to uses "Torque Sticks". http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=3D20060705192044AAt9HBD Though it says not a replacement for a torque wrench. I have found 100% of the time there not to be a loose or overly tight=20 bolt. I have to admit, I do not use a torque wrench on my wheel bolts,=20 but use a calibrated human arm. :) There are bolts used in vehicles that are one time usage, cylinder head=20 bolts being one of the common areas. These bolts are stretched during=20 installation, and their characteristics change with the stretch. They=20 also probably have a special lubricant, and should not be oiled unless=20 the shop manual directs to be. It's interesting in the structural engineering world of building/bridge=20 construction, the torque wrench is not the preferred method of=20 tightening bolts since the late 1980's. "Turn of the Nut" method is the=20 generally accepted method, where the nut is tightened to a snug=20 condition, and then given an extra specified rotation, depending on grip=20 length, bolt size, etc. Typically 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. If a torque=20 wrench is to be used, then a device that measures the bolt tension is=20 used to measure the torque necessary provide the required clamping=20 force. This must be done for every batch of bolts, and if the=20 lubricant/condition of the threads changes, must be done again. My first=20 job out of college was field engineer on a large bridge project where I=20 had a 7' long torque wrench, and checked bolts 180' in the air for=20 tightness. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .