Very interesting, thank you. Is there an interactive simulator anywhere on the web where one can experiment in realtime with inductors' design? Cheers, Mario At 23.09 2011.08.04, you wrote: >On 04/08/2011 19:58, Electron wrote: >> Is an air core inductor of 1000 winds equivalent to an air core >> inductor of 100 winds each on 10 layers? > >usually not. > >N squared is an approximation > >Short compared to diameter coils are different to coils long compared to=20 >diameter. > >Multilayer coils behave differently. > >PCB Spiral coils are "interesting" for 50MHz to 500MHz, but at higher=20 >frequencies they don't work as imagined and length becomes dominant. > >Also Skin Effect varies with frequency. This has a major impact. > >Also multilayer has more complicated distributed self capacitance > >Here is an interesting air core coil > >http://www.techtir.ie/construction/herge-radio-base > >It's in 3 parts. Two coils are wound about 25 turns + 25 turns=20 >interleaved.. The 3rd coil is 5 turns separate to the side. > >If you put two completely separate air core coils (or any inductor) in=20 >parallel, then you get 1/2 inductance. Put them in series and you get=20 >double. But if the two coils are wound in parallel, then wiring them in=20 >parallel is just like having fatter wire. The Q is increased (resistance=20 >reduced to 1/2). The inductance remains the same as if there was one=20 >coil. Connect them in series, and it's like a flattened two layer coil,=20 >the inductance will be about x4 > >The 3rd coil is used for positive feedback. As long as losses are=20 >greater than feedback, it doesn't oscillate. But as feedback is=20 >increased more of the coil losses are "cancelled" and the Q rises=20 >dramatically, and radio bandwidth is narrower. Just at the point of=20 >balance gives dramatic performance as if it was a perfect inductor. > > > > > >--=20 >http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >View/change your membership options at >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .