Bob Blick wrote: >I was "helping" a friend fill his r134a air conditioner yesterday. No, > the neighbor kids didn't steal the refrigerant so there must be a leak, > but very slow over several years. > > I never have understood how to tell when you have the system near the > perfect level of refrigerant. It is very hard to measure temperature > accurately and the pressure ranges given in the service manual are so > broad it's impossible to use those. > > So I decided that with 90 F air entering the condenser and high plus low > side pressure total about 260 psi (225+35) at high idle, and 45 F air > coming out the vent is OK. But it is probably still a little low on > refrigerant. > > But other than evacuating and refilling with a measured amount, does > anyone know a better way with just thermometers and a gauge set? > > And with very slow leaks(several years) does the oil also leak out? > > I have found useful resources on the web but nothing that tells me how > to know when it's "full". It's funny, just this Saturday I had my first experience adding refrigerant= =20 to a car A/C system. I topped off the A/C on both our cars (an '01 Spectra= =20 and an '06 Sonata). The gauge reading kept changing on the Sonata, so I=20 found out what happends when you have TOO MUCH refrigerant in the system. PPPPPSSSSHHHHHHHHTTTT!!!!! -- a white cloud of 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane=20 envelops the front of the vehicle. PPPPPPSSSSSSHHHHHHTTTTT!!!! -- the relief valve keeps venting the=20 refrigerant periodically, until the pressure drops to a safe level. Long-term effects TBD. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .