>> Poison sometimes works. but how well is hard to say Same as antibiotics - you have to have variety. Rats are canny. They'll eat a little of something and if it doesn't make them sick they go back for more or ignore it My friend has an excellent mouser cat at her factory. At least once a week she'll find a rat jigsaw the cat has made for her Aw, bless > What worked best for me are traps that are a flat plate filled > with a sticky goo that obviously smells attractive for rats. They > step on it and can't step off it anymore I believe those are now illegal (at least in NZ) for being inhumane. Would be OK if there was a secondary system, like a CO2 canister to euthanise the rat Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .