Ultrasonic xxx effectors where xxx =3D rats, ants, dogs, poverty and disease and effection =3D removal, killing enrichment etc as appropriate are about as time honoured as oxygen free speaker cables and crystal whatevers. People are selling a well presented rat repeller here (New Zealand) for about $150 at present. Well presented by a company that may be doing OK with traditional systems, such as knocjking them on the head, or whatever. Or not. Their shaky credibility is furher eroded by claims of it using "ultrasonic and electromagnetic" methods (or energy or whatever). The chase: BUT has anyone had any practical experience in successfully using ultrasonic energy to repell / kill / destroy / ... anything. Preferably well controlled double blind against placebo trials with sample sizes of E6 or more. But, any input welcome. It makes some sort of sense that creatures which have ultrasonic sensitive hearing or other bodily bits (Martha! - my thorax is thrumming !!!) may decide to decamp if exposed to suitable ultrasonic energy levels. Pulsing or not may help or not. So not quite certain it's wholly snake oil. Given enough enthusiasm I might manage to fire up something at greater than usual ultrasonic power levels and give it a go. Ideally I won't manage to drive our 18 year old Burmese cat to distraction. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .