Sorry if this topic has been over discussed ... feel free to ignore. The criteria would be the following: =3D=3D available to civilians ( does not require order of 100K pcs ) =3D=3D good support tools and software =3D=3D under $10 USD singles =3D=3D at least 32K RAM and 64K FLASH also desirable =3D=3D Forth has been implemented on it =3D=3D LUA has been implemented on it =3D=3D non-BGA package =3D=3D integral bootloader =3D=3D lots of I/O UART , etc. The Stellaris LM3S9790 looked promising .... I cannot determine that it ca= n be purchased by a tiny person. I was going to use a Wiznet product.... b= ad reviews chased me away from that approach. 99guspuppet --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .