The solution most appealing to me (if this was my challenge) was using a vacuum on the outside of 1/2 of the can. It turns out that the inside diameter of the drive shaft from a Holden Kingswood (or similiar vintage holden) is just right to take a coke can, slightest of interference fits (at least the coke cans and Holden Tail shafts that I am familiar with in Australia). I suspect one of these could reasonably quickly cut in half length ways. Several small 1/8" holes drilled along the length connected to aluminum or copper tubing connected to a vacuum. Sponge down the "half" tail shaft to improve the air seal. Many cans (perhaps 12) could be placed in the "half" tail shaft , vacuum applied then brought into range of a set of very sharp very fast spinning knives Not sure how to do the spinning knives bit but I think the drive shaft with vacuum assist would hold them secure. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .