I've got a Samsung TV and a Gateway laptop with problems. Googling around various forums I find most of the time it's a loose BGA and can't be fixed with normal lab tools. What's the life span of boards with BGA chips? Is it poor mechanical design of the board or bad assembly procedures? chuckc --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .