I know this has probably been covered before, but with the discussion on=20 Diptrace, it got me thinking again (not always a good thing..) I have tried quite a few packages, including: Altium: Wonderful, perfect for the design I am doing more frequently now=20 (multilayer, high speed, FPGA etc) Too expensive to justify as yet with a newish business, but this may=20 change in the nearish future. $4995 for full license. Diptrace: Old license, not used for some time. I liked it, the price was good but=20 I moved on. May revisit, as it sounds to have improved a bit. Price is 585 Euros for full license. Eagle: Tried it briefly, not too impressed. Apart from the popularity which is=20 a big plus (support, libraries etc) I can't see much improvement (if any) on something like Diptrace or even=20 Kicad, although I haven't used it enough to justify that view. The price for a full professional license is $1494, not too cheap,=20 although we could probably get away with the autorouter free version or=20 the 6-layer 160x100 version ($995 and $498, a lot more reasonable) DesignSpark: Free, okay, but early stages of development and I'm not sure I want to=20 use it for professional development. It's missing "standard" features=20 like e.g. a bus in the schematic option, turn layers off/on in PCB, it=20 crashes occasionally and is extremely slow. It is backed by RS so it may=20 be worth keeping an eye on, development seems to be progressing at a=20 rapid pace. With the next version or two it may be one of the best free=20 options. Kicad: I have used it briefly, and it seems very powerful for an open source=20 package (best I have seen). Development seems to be ongoing with a very=20 active and widespread user base. I am thinking of giving it a "real" try=20 and using it for some commercial projects. What do people think of this idea? Libraries I intend to make myself (at=20 least mostly) as I have done on other packages. I don't like to rely on=20 randomly designed parts with different standards, which seems to be the=20 case with most libraries in free/non-free software. Altium is the=20 closest I have seen to having "standardised" libraries. We may grab the=20 Ultra Librarian when it has improved a bit and is usable with something=20 like Kicad. Aside from that, I believe I can work round it's quirks. Some advice=20 would be nice though as I'm sure I have not considered all the factors.=20 I will need the capability to produce stencils and other manufacturing=20 data easily. I believe just about anything can be used to make a very complicated=20 board if you "work around" stuff, but my main objective is speed and=20 ease of use (i.e to quickly produce good work and avoid time consuming=20 problems, usually more of a worry with open source stuff) My main reason not to grab something like Eagle or (uprade/renew)=20 Diptrace right now is I would like to hold out with free stuff for a=20 while, and then bite the bullet fully (if necessary, if things work I=20 may just carry on with Kicad) and buy something like Altium. The choice is not fully mine of course, but it's me who will be using=20 the software 99% of the time. Any advice would be appreciated, especially from anyone who has used=20 Kicad in a commercial setting. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .