On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:24 AM, PICdude wrote: > I can't understand what's supposed to bridge the gap for others. Well, things are improving. Sort of. In California, for instance, if =20 you're under 18 (when most people learn to drive), you're required to =20 take an approved classroom (or online) class, complete about 8 hours =20 of on-the-road training with an approved instructor, and complete an =20 additional 50 hours of adult-supervised driving (including 10 hours of =20 nighttime driving) before you can get take the road test (which is =20 actually on-road (but doesn't go on-freeway)) to get your license. =20 Then there are additional restrictions for the first year after you =20 get your license. (Of course, if you're OVER 18, none of this applies. Just go in and =20 take the road test. Everyone knows that being over 18 immediately =20 gives one better driving skills!) > I always figured that when I have kids of driving age, I would get > them into auto-crossing for some proper car-handling skills, as IMO > when the car does things that are not normal (sliding, skidding, etc), > inexperienced drivers get all confused and just let go. I have mixed feelings. I would bet that most accidents in new drivers =20 do NOT occur under adverse conditions (I wonder if insurance =20 statistics would say?) And the world certainly doesn't need a bunch =20 of overconfident drivers thinking they can treat the road like an =20 autocross track, just because they got some training to do so. A new =20 driver needs training in the sort of circumstances that they're =20 actually most likely to see when they start driving on their own. =20 Mostly that means paying attention to other drivers. (at least here, =20 where we don't often have anything that would be termed "bad weather.") My daughter passed her driving test about a week ago... BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .