On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michael Watterson wrote= : > But SUVs have rubbish handling on slippy surfaces. > 4WD is designed for slowly on a very uneven surface. It needs turned off > on ice/wet Really? 4WD have excellent performance on slippy smooth surfaces. Im not sure if you are just referring to SUV's or all 4WD. Not quite perfectly smooth, but Audi showed how good and fast a 4WD could be on loose gravel in WRC back in the 80's In the UK when is snows, the guys in the Audi quattros have most fun. FWD slow and steady, but easy to get stuck. RWD forget it (Unless you are a very very good driver) (Yes you should always drive in a manner appropriate to the road conditions= ) ( Enthusiasm > Ability =3D Accident ) Back on topic, When my little Bro passed his test and it snowed I took him to an empty car park and showed him control. It isn't just a question of knowing what to do, that can be taught, but unless you experience the feel of being out of control it is all too get spooked and panic. A bit of fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsUD385YzJa4 I'm driving the Grey / Green sided Ford Model A (1930, hotrodded in the 60's with a 5ltr V8) heheheheheh G --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .