Kid around here pretty much have to take driver's training, mostly to get slightly cheaper insurance rates. I took them to empty mall parking lots after hours in snow and ice. Taught them how to start and stop skids.. On 8 June 2011 19:07, Carl Denk wrote: > Same thing, find difficult driving conditions, weather, traffic, > terrain, whatever. Up and down steep winding hills, using OD lockout, > lower gears, down hill..... > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .