On 08/06/2011 09:10, YES NOPE9 wrote: >> > It has come a LONG way since then. I have yet to find a single bug. You are not an expert, you haven't used it long. Have you done 4 layer=20 boards? Tell me that if you have used it 6 months full time and you main=20 job is PCB layout. > I would like to know some reasons why VG does not like Eagle..... Because it's not immediately intuitive. I don't like it initially=20 compared to many other packages, especially Autotrax and DOS based=20 Futurenet for schematics long ago. But having learned it, I'm happy enough now. It was worth buying the upgrade for more layers / bigger board. A lot of=20 the pre-built free libraries are poor, as Olin says it's worthwhile=20 learning how to make library parts. After 30 or so you will be fairly=20 expert and then it will be quicker. Don't add parts to existing library. Make your own copy and re-name if=20 you want a load of existing parts. Learn the command line commands to manipulate parts / footprints /=20 symbols between libraries. Read the actual manual, not just the Internet. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .