>=20 > You're right. I rearranged the board and switched some components to surf= ace > mount. Check it out: >=20 > Unrouted: http://postimage.org/image/22skvifk4/full/ > Routed: http://postimage.org/image/22sj7z32c/full/ >=20 > I got the board down to 4.9x5.6 inches. Not bad and not overly crowded. >=20 >=20 Try to put SMD components on the bottom side and keep TH components on the = top=20 side. This way you could put some TH components on top of some SMD componen= ts.=20 Under U1 you could probably fit some of the SMD ICs. You can put the curren= t=20 limiting resistors for the LEDs under the LEDs and move them much closer to= J2.=20 SMD components can also be placed much closer to the connectors if they are= =20 placed on the bottom side. These are just some examples. If you also try to keep the signal and power traces on the bottom side, you= can=20 perhaps use most of the top side as a ground plane. It will also make it ea= sier=20 to place decoupling capacitors where they work best. The routing also takes quite a lot of board real estate. Just by looking at= the=20 current limiting resistors for the LEDs, it seems like you can save some of= it=20 by doing it by hand. Remember that the resistors can be put in series with= =20 either the anode or the cathode and this may make routing easier. /Ruben =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ruben J=F6nsson AB Liros Electronic Box 9124, 200 39 Malm=F6, Sweden TEL INT +46 40142078 FAX INT +46 40947388 ruben@pp.sbbs.se =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .