Hey Joe... where y'going with that - gun in your hand... I finally sold my '70 Westphalia not too long ago, so my daughter would'nt inherit the death-trap. Pre-'71 have no brakes, '72 - on the engines are turkeys (OEM, anyway). With front disc power brakes and 1.6 liter engine '71s are the pick of the litter, but brake & front-end parts are unique, expensive, & often hard to find. No bongs or Archibald souvenirs, but no trouble selling it. I owned a '65 once; also a '58, '62, & '71. That link got a grin - Thanks. Jack --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .