> -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf > Of Michael Watterson > Sent: 15 May 2011 10:08 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Re: [EE] Water electrolysis -> H2 and O2 >=20 > more mpg (or kilometres per litre). No laws are broken. A turbo charger > is an example of "cheating". It doesn't give you anything for free. It > can raise efficiency by reducing waste energy. You are not getting > extra. just better less than 1 efficiency. Of course historically turbo > chargers may be optimised simply to get most power for same size engine > and this might even reduce efficiency, it lets you feed more fuel and > air than otherwise possible. It's a fallacy to think that a turbocharger makes an engine more efficient - the energy consumed by the turbo (and it does use energy over and above the wasted thermal energy in the exhaust due to increased pumping losses) is not added to the energy output of the engine, but instead allows you to burn yet more fuel. In fact, spark ignition turbocharged engines are typically less efficient for a given peak power output than non-turbocharged. The reason that turbo chargers are now more popular for economy reasons is simply that they are paired with smaller displacement engines. Off-boost, a smaller displacement engine has to work harder to produce the same power as a larger one, i.e. the throttle needs to be opened further. This reduces pumping losses and increases the dynamic compression ratio, improving thermal efficiency. Since much of the time driving will be done at lower RPM and off-boost, especially in urban or under cruising conditions this gives a net improvement in economy. With the turbo spooled up and the engine producing higher power outputs, efficiency will typically fall *below* that of an equivalent normally aspirated engine (increased pumping losses, extra fuel needed for cooling). A turbo simply allows a small displacement engine to produce sufficient maximum power without impacting on lower power operation. Regards Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This e-mail is intended for the person it is addressed to only. The information contained in it may be confidential and/or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you must not make any use of this information, or copy or show it to any person. Please contact us immediately to tell us that you have received this e-mail, and return the original to us. Any use, forwarding, printing or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. No part of this message can be considered a request for goods or services. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .