Charles Craft wrote: > Hear, hear! Blind loyalty will screw you every time. > Price and availability usually trump other features. Actually, they usually don't. The microcontroller industry is very competitive. You get about the same thing for about the same price from most of the major vendors. Occasionall= y one vendor does a particularly good job in one area, but these are usually not overwhelming advantages and are relatively short lived. The most recently offered micro will probably look a little better than competing products just because it benefitted from a little bit more advanced technology. Every once in a while a vendor will take a larger step forward and have a particular advantage for a while. For example, the MSP430 had exceptional low power performance when it first came out. Microchip has since caught u= p with that, but the mystique seems to remain. Microchip's 24 bit core was another larger jump forward. However, the real issue is investment in the toolchain. It takes significant learning and experience to get really good at a particular flavor of microcontroller. Therefore you pick a micro for the next project that you are familiar with unless the expected volumes are quite high and a competitor has something compelling. This is rare. At Embed we have done around 100 PIC projects and have invested in the Microchip toolchain accordingly. While we have no policy to use PIC microcontrollers, it usually makes sense for our customers because the competitive offerings, while perfectly fine most of the time, are about the same. However, we can hit the ground running with PICs, have learned where the bodies are buried, what to watch out for, and have a relationship with the Microchip people to get support equal to none when we really need it. They know us enough so that when we report a problem or ask something, they already know we've read the manual or done the measurement carefully. We can jump right to the meat of the problem with the right people and skip th= e usual dance while they do their idiot filtering. These things all take tim= e and experience to build up, which you wouldn't have the first few projects you do with a new line of microcontroller. Microchip also has a few other things going for it. I'd say it has the broadest product line of microcontrollers in the industry, and they have been very good about not obsoleting products. The broad product line means the toolchain investment can be applied to a wider range or products. The non-obsolescence means you can feel comfortable designing in their devices in products you expect to have a long production life. You can still today buy a 16C54. Sure it costs more and does less than just about everything else, but for a lot of products saving a couple $$ of production cost isn't worth a redesign, especially when that may require various certifications and re-qualification by customers. So, it's not about blind loyalty, but rather common sense and the best tradeoff for the customer. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .