On 14/05/2011 20:10, Mike Hord wrote: > Arduino is to microcontroller as breadboard is to circuit board. I hear a > lot of elitist babble about why it is for idiots or losers who can't do > "real" electronics. That sort of talk isn't doing anybody any favors- it'= s > just juvenile. > Actually my original post was a little harsh. I see it's the PIC32=20 (MIPS?) that makes more sense than PIC18F etc as the Jal version of=20 Arduino is. The problem here is Schools. They just aren't doing "hands ons" stuff at=20 all, so hardly any people doing electronics. Also Web2.0 time wasting=20 and re-inventing wheels in Linux I think sucks in people who in years=20 gone by would have had Electronics as a hobby and then maybe later as=20 career. It's the microwave meal "ready meal" syndrome. I did the HW for this in=20 just over a day. The idea of Ardunio isn't that bad, but the original=20 "base" CPU was poor choice, choice of on board HW poor and mechanical=20 layout concept is poor. The "Shield connector" should have duplicate=20 holes in two rows at PCB edge to allow Right angle slave PCB or layer=20 above or below, or boards above and below or slave board at right angles=20 + 2nd board in plane or board plugging into a "motherboard" chassis. Maybe I should make my idea with choice of PIC67Jxx, Cortex Mx, ADI=20 Blackfin and FPGA... All surface mount with options for serial, usb, ethernet, SDHC slot and=20 separate edge connectors for SPI, I2S, I2C, TTL Serial (inc PS/2 i/o). Audio I/O options Option boards with LCD, OLED, (basic and touch) VFD, LED that can be=20 fitted planar above/below or right angles. High speed ADC with programmable attenuators and anti-alias filters and DAC --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .