> Some rely on "laws of Physics" which are as yet adumbrated. > eg Zero Point energy. These are described as "Zero Point Energy Wands" http://www.manaproducts.co.nz/energy-wands.asp The explanation for how they work (claimed) though is not substantiated If I thought the Commerce Commission would take any notice I'd complain about most of their products. But the CC doesn't listen But, like I said, people want to believe. If they think they can run their car on water, be my guest If they think a $58 non-biodegradable plastic ball full of rocks washes better than bio-degradable detergent and saves the planet, have at it. If we could only appeal to the planet to stop pumping out millions of tonnes of noxious gases from vents, and evolve termites that don't fart. Mother's not really helping is she Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .